Am I right or wrong?

"scoob" (scoobsti) 02/18/2016 at 12:47 • Filed to: None

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Was trying to define powersliding vs drifting to someone on the FP (yeah, yeah). I gave him the definition I always thought was true. But some people are saying I’m really wrong.

Is it wrong? Is everything I know about cars (which isn’t much) a lie? What even is Oppo?

Here’s le link:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/power-sliding-…

Milky > scoob 02/18/2016 at 12:53

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IMHO they’re the same thing. they are both done with throttle.

I just dislike when people call pulling an E-brake, drifting.

-this space for rent- > scoob 02/18/2016 at 12:54

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Neither of your definitions work with tanks anyway.

Leadbull > scoob 02/18/2016 at 12:55

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I agree with the purple burner.

HammerheadFistpunch > scoob 02/18/2016 at 12:59

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I feel like it’s semantics that is not worth fighting over, especially since they overlap

luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! > scoob 02/18/2016 at 12:59

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We are not talking about well established english words here. Drifting probably could include power sliding, but not the other way around.

Wacko > Leadbull 02/18/2016 at 13:00

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he’s got a point, so they are both wrong.

luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! > Milky 02/18/2016 at 13:02

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I dislike when people call the hand brake an E-brake.

luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! > luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! 02/18/2016 at 13:02

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Just kidding! Don’t flame me!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > scoob 02/18/2016 at 13:03

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I consider them both drifting.

Within that umbrella we have “Powerslide” and “E-brake slide” (or whatever you prefer to call the ebrake, seeing as some people on here get pretty pedantic as well).

But I really don’t care. Drifting rolls off the tongue easier for me.

davedave1111 > scoob 02/18/2016 at 13:03

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It’s largely a pointless semantic quibble. That said, a powerslide is only possible in an RWD car, because it’s when you slide under power. Drifting, or ‘pissing about’, as we used to call it, is a more general term for all kinds of slides.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2016 at 13:04

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I’d say “Drifting” is the umbrella term that covers both power and non-power slides

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Milky 02/18/2016 at 13:04

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I count ebrake slides as drifts, but otherwise agreed.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! 02/18/2016 at 13:07

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I dislike when people insist it’s a handbrake, forgetting about those controlled by a foot pedal. Ebrake is more inclusive so you don’t need to switch terms, and is less annoying for a lazy person like myself to say than parking brake.

Nonster > scoob 02/18/2016 at 13:07

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Its really semantics, and they’re really the same thing but if you want a real definition...

Oversteer is when the rear tires are operating at a higher slip angle than the front tires. This can be accomplished by a variety of methods but the result is the same

Urambo Tauro > scoob 02/18/2016 at 13:07

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I’m not sure what the perfect definition is. I want to say that there is a distinction to be made between two-wheel drift and four-wheel drift, which makes sense if you’re referring to the number of wheels that are sliding. But when you start talking about which direction the vehicle is facing, you have to bring up oversteer or understeer. A four-wheel drift can look a lot like understeer and I’m not sure how to define the difference.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > scoob 02/18/2016 at 13:08

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I personally tend to think of drifting as any controlled slide, where as a power slide is just that, controlled power-induced oversteer on a RWD or RWD-biased AWD car. Power sliding is drifting, but you can drift without doing a power slide.

Urambo Tauro > Urambo Tauro 02/18/2016 at 13:10

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Then again, when the context is regarding tanks, we’ve got tracks instead of tires... I imagine weight shifting could allow a simulation of 2- or 4- wheel drifting, if one part of the track has grip while another part of the same track has none.

PS9 > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2016 at 13:13

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To powerslide/drift, you use the E-brake, right?

CTSenVy > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2016 at 13:15

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Agreed, I see both terms used interchangeably anymore.

Urambo Tauro > luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! 02/18/2016 at 13:16

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I hate it when “drifting” is used to describe a car that isn’t staying in its lane (“weaving”?). But you’re right, “drifting” is not focused toward one definition.

DrScientist > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/18/2016 at 13:16

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to confirm, a non-power slide, is when youre not on the gas?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > DrScientist 02/18/2016 at 13:17

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Yes. IE, ebrake slide or momentum drift.

luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! > Urambo Tauro 02/18/2016 at 13:27

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Ahh, well that use of the word has a much longer history than the fun definition, so it must be “correct”.

Tareim - V8 powered > PS9 02/18/2016 at 13:30

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not always, you can do the Scandinavian flick which doesn’t require the hand brake, same with power over drift

luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/18/2016 at 13:30

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But who uses the foot-controlled E brake for drifting?

You can’t deactivate the ratchet with your thumb!

I don’t want to include that device when I say hand brake.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! 02/18/2016 at 13:38

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Anyone who wants to have some fun but isn’t fortunate enough to have a handbrake.

Actually, in many way’s it’s easier. You press it just enough to engage it, release it, and when you press it again you can play around with it as much as you want and it won’t engage the ratchet again. Of course then there’s the kind with a foot pedal and a hand release.

And neither do I, that’s why I say ebrake.

CobraJoe > luvMeSome142 & some Lincoln! 02/18/2016 at 13:53

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That’s part of the definition I was thinking of. Powersliding can only be done under heavy throttle. Drifting can be any combination of inputs to get the car to slide.

I’d also add the idea that powersliding is usually initiated mid corner while drifting starts before the corner, but that just might be my own definition. (I’ve been through many corners sideways, but I don’t claim to be a drifter, I just give it the boot mid corner.)

wiffleballtony > scoob 02/18/2016 at 14:10

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I believe the difference is if you shout POWWWWAAAAA during the sideways action.

Spaze > scoob 02/18/2016 at 17:22

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After teaching people about sliding (was a certified skidpad instructor for a racetrack) I can tell you that they are very similar and neither have great definitions. But here is what they mean to me.

1) A power slide implies that you are on the power thus are normally past the apex of a corner. When exiting a corner, oversteer encountered by the application of too much loud pedal is called a power slide.

2) Drifting is normally initiated before you hit the apex. It can be initiated with steering input, handbrake or both. But the goal is to use momentum to slide through the entire corner.

You’ll note the big difference is where the slide starts. One is after the apex, and one is before. That is how I differentiate them and is how I used teach students that asked that very question. But its really semantics on how you control a car once you’ve exceeded the traction of a tire.